tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7125294933155144215.post1581889428795450597..comments2024-03-26T21:43:34.435+00:00Comments on Confessions of a 40k addict: Blog Wars 9 1850pt battle report - nids vs Imperial Knights/Dark Angels40kaddicthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12763647828123242837noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7125294933155144215.post-23207457321000192042015-06-13T18:10:03.341+01:002015-06-13T18:10:03.341+01:00Thanks I'll let him know about that formation....Thanks I'll let him know about that formation. He does have a lot of genestealers from previous editions, just doesn't play them any more.<br /><br />That is a tough formation for the knights, they get all the cool toys! Though the vassels get to overwatch, surely they've still got battle cannons? So could only overwatch with the heavy stubbers at best?<br /><br />Yeah the bastion I thought the one you were most likely to be fully aware of the rule but ignoring it for the spectacle. Yes, it would have been epic. Yes, I imagine it would have bloody hurt! :P Though actually if it had been allowed and was treated like a vehicle it would have been a str6 large blast I believe, so not THAT bad...Gingehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04155099423475435032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7125294933155144215.post-51678113003687749542015-06-13T16:32:30.950+01:002015-06-13T16:32:30.950+01:0010 knights then sir. Two units.10 knights then sir. Two units.Padmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05807564950701276100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7125294933155144215.post-17078170965818649262015-06-13T13:44:25.849+01:002015-06-13T13:44:25.849+01:00Thanks for the points, the deployment is alright. ...Thanks for the points, the deployment is alright. As you guessed there is a formation called the Maufactorum Genestealer Brood, that allows it. It's 5 units of 5 Genestealers and you can upgrade them but not add any more models to the brood. It allows you to deploy within 6" of your opponent so long as the Genestealers are in Ruins or an unoccupied building. It's pretty cool because it forces your opponent to deal with the threat on their doorstep and may dictate how they set up instead of what they wanted to do.<br /><br />Of course the downside is with only 5 models it's ripe for losing first blood but if you go to ground and it's Night Fighting, [which I go for every time] then a 2+ cover save might just waste a lot of fire in their direction for very few casualties. And a Swooping Flyrant can bring them out of 'going to ground' instantly when it gets in range ;) They also get Hit & Run as a rule!<br /><br />The other problem is you can't assault until turn 2, because you infiltrated, but by that time you should have moved other units up so more immediate bigger threats become the target, they forget about the Genestealer and when they do come out their targets are usually engaged already so you can get into combat without suffering Overwatch and they can do the business. And flamers really are their Kryptonite. Oh and they're not Objective Secured unlike their non formation counterparts :(<br /><br />There's another formation of Broodlord Hunting pack that does a similar job, but arrives from reserve within 6" of your opponent in Ruins/buildings and it's a bigger brood with a Broodlord but the reserve delivery isn't as good. It's in the Leviathan supplement, well worth looking at for more nid options.<br /><br />I think you're right about the shooting arc, but I'll have to confirm that. I thought it odd at the time but no biggy, not sure too many died. The Ion shield shifts every shooting phase so it did change to the back when the Flyrant got behind.<br /><br />As for Overwatch, Dave took the Baronial Court formation which does indeed allow the 'vassals' the two red Paladin's to overwatch so long as they're within 12" of the Warden, the green one. They also get a 3+ invul on the front arc! So it's a pretty tasty formation.<br /><br />As for the Bastion, we just did that for show. I think I did mention to Dave he wouldn't be able attack it, but I'd already got excited at the spectacle about to happen before I took a second thought about the rule, so we went ahead anyway, y'know to Forge a Narrative ;) . Then we found out he couldn't chuck it so we were both a bit deflated but I was probably let of lightly as A Bastion hurling through the sky could have been deadly!<br /><br />Didn't know about Gargs not having Overwatch, but then I don't have any...<br /><br />Thanks for all the points, really appreciate it. Tell your friend to try the Manufactorum Brood, it's cool but there are clearly downsides to it that make it not overpowered. It's one of my favorite ways to play them, although the Spawn of Cryptus formation is good too.40kaddicthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12763647828123242837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7125294933155144215.post-84285000513740109772015-06-12T22:59:26.037+01:002015-06-12T22:59:26.037+01:00Well looking at where you deployed your genesteale...Well looking at where you deployed your genestealers, infiltrating them behind the knights... They look a bit close. Rules for infiltrate state that if out of line of sight (which fair point, they are) they still have to be more than 12" away from the enemy. Unless you have some specific tyranid thing that overrules this, though my friend plays nids and if they could deploy THAT close to me I'm sure he would not complain about genestealers as much as he does...<br /><br />On the flip side, the knights firing back at the genestealers as they advanced up the table... did he turn around to do this as you make it sound like he shot backwards from the battle report? Knights follow the basic rules for walkers, so are assumed to have a 45 degree horizontal and vertical firing arc from the mounting point of the gun, along the barrel. So he can only really fire forwards, and I'm assuming he'd be keeping that front armour and ion shield towards your firebase.<br /><br />And the third and final thing I noticed was that he assaulted a dilapidated building. Now if it is dilapidated then it can switch sides during the course of the battle but at the start of the game belongs to neither force, and the rules for assault say you pick an ENEMY unit to assault. On the flip side, the idea of him hurling a building at you as he advances does sound kinda cool... :-P<br /><br />Anyway, for what it's worth your battle report inspired me to double check a few things in the rulebook before I put my oar in, and I am pleased to say I learned something too. I did not know that super heavy walkers and gargantuan creatures cannot fire overwatch. I have happily informed the knight player at my local club, who overwatched me with his 12 shot assault cannon thingy the last game we played... lucky he did no damage or I'd have a bone to pick with him :-PGingehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04155099423475435032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7125294933155144215.post-26329091640484503912015-06-12T22:21:29.298+01:002015-06-12T22:21:29.298+01:00Well I did accidentally get two sprues in my Dark...Well I did accidentally get two sprues in my Dark Angels expansion instead of 1...<br />40kaddicthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12763647828123242837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7125294933155144215.post-49736406407398387222015-06-12T19:40:38.006+01:002015-06-12T19:40:38.006+01:00Sounds like a great game.
Deathwing knights are aw...Sounds like a great game.<br />Deathwing knights are awesome, never leave the Rock without them. Highly recommended for your Dark Angels.Padmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05807564950701276100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7125294933155144215.post-67710765368938234072015-06-12T19:23:44.784+01:002015-06-12T19:23:44.784+01:00Thanks Greg, yes it felt a bit unlucky, especially...Thanks Greg, yes it felt a bit unlucky, especially when the Flyrant was doing so much damage on his own with AP- Deathspitters. I have to say he managed to redeem himself after some pretty lacklustre games recently.40kaddicthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12763647828123242837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7125294933155144215.post-90436718706386782132015-06-12T19:21:53.954+01:002015-06-12T19:21:53.954+01:00Thanks, I certainly had more time to have fun with...Thanks, I certainly had more time to have fun with our game. All three games I had were a blast I just didn't feel as rushed, clearly you having only 14 models helped but despite the huge loses I had a great time with it, my new Knight is in the post!40kaddicthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12763647828123242837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7125294933155144215.post-12462351817010831522015-06-12T19:19:41.247+01:002015-06-12T19:19:41.247+01:00Happy to hear your thoughts Ginge, if I suffered a...Happy to hear your thoughts Ginge, if I suffered a disadvantage or gained an advantage [highly unlikely, you did see the final score!] through misunderstanding I always say it was vagaries of the warp, if its good enough for GW it's good enough for me. However, it could also be my Swiss cheese memory recollection coupled with my poor reporting skills. So I'm more than happy for comment, we only get better that way. :)40kaddicthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12763647828123242837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7125294933155144215.post-39190739425536939062015-06-12T17:26:10.940+01:002015-06-12T17:26:10.940+01:00Guys looking at this battle report it looks like y...Guys looking at this battle report it looks like you had a great time playing it. I think I may have spotted a couple of rules mistakes you might have made, though I don't think they were game critical. Personally one of the reasons I like tournaments is that being away from your established player base you can learn something new in the rules that your own steady group missed, but at the same time I can also understand people don't always appreciate other people picking holes in things they've done.<br /><br />If you'd like to know where I think you played it slightly wrong (and bearing in mind i'm going off rulebook, your individual codex could hold something that allows for the exceptions I have spotted) do let me know and I will be happy to discuss it, otherwise I shall hold my tongue. After all, the important thing is you both clearly enjoyed the game, as I've now read both your battle reports and you both seem to list this as a favourite! :-)Gingehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04155099423475435032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7125294933155144215.post-89975931849808524042015-06-12T16:37:52.014+01:002015-06-12T16:37:52.014+01:00What a Battle!! This game was my favourite of the ...What a Battle!! This game was my favourite of the day, and really could have gone either way. It definitley makes the game even better when you are facing such a stunning army.. <br />Hears to the next battle!!Lord TITANium Halfpennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02190609559645354960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7125294933155144215.post-24452436178830097212015-06-12T14:46:06.043+01:002015-06-12T14:46:06.043+01:00Absolutely beautiful armies and photos Dave! That...Absolutely beautiful armies and photos Dave! That was some unlucky rolls with the dice..the carnifex should have evicerated that knight with D3 str 9 hammer of wraths and all those str 10 ap2 attacks!greggleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15528518337222880432noreply@blogger.com